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6/4/03:
Whats the point
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Unless the exams are simulated and the question pools are very large and cycled regularly then no doubt these sites will have all the the exam questions in no time:"
(a dozen sites listed for files) and lets not forget the biggest encourager of the non-disclosure agreement our most known braindump site of all
mcsebraindumps.net So how did I find these all of these sites, simple I just looked for 'MCP' on a search engine. Are they legal? most likely they are in their country of origin. I wish someone say for sure because they are certainly trading as legal sites thats for sure. How are people supposed to know what they can buy and can't buy? Plus many people don't even have to buy study guides because most people simply download them from Kaazar or edonkey for nothing." Well I hope Microsoft have learnt from their past experiences and really put some effort into simulated exams with real world lab testing style questions otherwise any school kid can pass them. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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I agree. I have put in over 10 years of hard work in the Networking field and am sick of these people memorizing brain dumps and passing thest exams on the first try. What happens? Then they beat out less certified people for jobs! The companies suffer due to these "paper tigers" making bad decisions or not knowing what to do in an emergency and thus costing companies millions each year to recover. If you ask me, these cheaters are why our economy is the way it is. Companies can't afford to hire more people due to overpriced "paperboys" and mopping up after their mistakes. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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Luckily the paperboys won't be overpaid any more. Employers are smarter now. MSCE = a quantity of wipes. |
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6/4/03:
Alem
from Germany
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What is the cause of this disappointments? I am also working on Networks since six years on different firms, which the first time I gained my Job, because I was certified on Windows NT.
But this is not only Microsofts problem or is it a general Problem? As I was studying at the University, we were also trying to pass the Exams in order to have a degree or not? Therefore anybody has to accomplish the route which is started to say, I am this or that to start with.
This so called "Paper Tigers" will be the same as us when they gain the exprience of 3-4 years. Lets live cunccurence or what do you mean? |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
from Texas
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Its not just a MS thing its all IT companies. If you do simple searches you can simple find the answers to 99% of the questions and step by steps for the simulated exams of MS,Cisco,Novell,Sun,Oracle etc etc. I know of a place that does the MS MOC courses and tell users that they will learn what it takes to pass the exam and will use some of the braindumps to help. The whole training sector of IT needs to be changed to keep ahead of the current technolgies. You rarely hear of school exams been broadcasted over the web!! |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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in some country ,For MCP,people have to become "paper tiger" .because in this conuntry,Employers just regard at one thing ,the certificate of the man who hire .so they had to become "paper tiger" to pass exams.So we can"t accuse them,theirs community force them to do this. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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I guess most people are paper MCSE's in some form, as not everyone does NT security or admin, or the comms component, or builds the image or backsup the data, so unless you are doing every little bit then you can't really say that your are not a paper MCSE. If you are performing every function on the job then you probably only work for a small company so all of us are probably paper mcse's in form. I've seen people with no qualifications and experience after a short time out perform people who have been in the job for years, so its really an individual thing and not really anything to do with certifications that determines how good a person can pick up a project or task and perform on the job. |
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6/4/03:
John
from Saint Louis
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Exams are great and experience is even better. You can have more of these two than anyone else and still lose out on the job if you go in looking like Neo and think you're better than everyone else. So, take a Dale Carnige course and see if that helps |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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experience is great, exams are garbage. |
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6/4/03:
shaun
from london
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You have to laugh at all these worried people so stop whinging and do the exams or dont do the exams and dont whine about paper MCSE's as employers look for experience and certs..and any one lucky enough to get a job on certs alone good luck to them as everyone needs a break..... |
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6/4/03:
Cliff
from Tucson
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Still crying about paper MCSE's. Another slow day at work eh? Nobody gives a fat babies butt anymore about paper MCSE's except paper MCSE's who got religion. New topic please! |
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6/4/03:
MCT support guy
from London
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It is BS to say everyone is a paper MCSE to some extent. What counts is the knowledge of what to do if things do not go exactly to plan. Any fool can upgrade a network from NT4 to 2000 by putting in the CD and hitting Upgrade BUT this will always lead to tears!
What counts is the ability to plan and resolve problems that you have never seen and this cannot be taught (or examined)
Customers change your spec for no good reason. They have multiple copies of the same database and cannot tell you which they use, They lose admin passwords on laptops and then say can we add a printer. What are you MCSEs going to do here? A complete reinstall is the only answer says MS but we cracked it in less than 10 mins!
I would say that someone needs 2 years to get there.
I have seen an MCSE who could not get a 80 gig drive to be partitioned into FAT32 of 32g and so he ran the disk utility from an IBM drive on his seagate disc since he had read that it may be a bios problem and that this would cure it. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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And I would say ths is why the headhunters are so popular now. That allows the company to find out if you really know what you say you do with the certification. |
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6/4/03:
Stop Crying
from USA
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I really don't know what the big deal is about brain dumps. It's as if everyone considers them evil or something. I, for one, am not bothered by anyone who uses a brain dump to get a cert. I mean really, what's the difference between using a brain dump and going to a boot camp? About $3,000 is the only difference I see. Yet I don't see anyone lambasting the big training centers for offering boot camps. Where boot camps are concerned, I learn more about an OS fixing problems in a day in my job than they'll learn in a week sitting in a class watching perfect installs. I say let anyone who wants to use these methods to get certified use them. If they don't know what they're doing, it's going to be painfully obvious to the employer, and hopefully they'll learn they're lesson and have some sort of real world questions or a practicum for the next set of interviews. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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So funny reading the post about the paper MCT whinging about the paper MCSE (ha, what a joke).
I had a headhunter offer me a job, all he was interested in was salary. Money thats all its about. He said I'd learn once I was there for a while, and he was right.
Thats because there is nothing hard about IT and certification is over rated. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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Braindumps, I luv'em. I'll use them and anything else that will help me to learn something more than I already know. Transenders, books, videos, braindumps, courses, who cares - I don't care what I use to learn. I laugh at anti-braindumpers crying about there so called "hard earned certs" oh "Boo-Hoo Mommy". I have an MCSE too and couldn't care less about certs or how others got theirs because I do my job well and thats all that matters and if you came up to me wanking on about your hard earned certs I'd laugh at you. If my colleagues saw an MCSE lapel pin on you they'd laugh too. Do it for yourself and stop and just learn your job, who cares what some wankers think. If you see someone not doing the job right then do the right thing and teach them - become a team role model and not a jerk thinking that having the MCSE is the be all end all thing to aspire too in IT. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
from Louisiana
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More hands on simulation exams will be great when they get here. This is the true way for testing the MCSA Core knowledge. The Design test should be on prepublished senero situations. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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I encourage everyone to use brain craps so that you can help make all certifications worthless. Then employers will only truely look at what matters. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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You can NOT just rely on exams for certifications to be accepted by people as legitimate. What if Doctors only had to pass exams to become doctors? That would be a terrible idea. You need to set up an intern or residency program if yoiu want a certification to be worth something. When you do this, an already certified person is putting their credentials on the line to say that this person has shown the knowledge in a real world situation to be certified as an expert. This along with the tests would restore certification to the point that it tould mean something. No test only certification could ever demonstrate knowledge in a given area. Even with a drivers test, they make you drive with someone to show you can really do it. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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As someone who has used study guides to pass tests I can say that the Study guides only help to an extent. For instance, When I took my network infrastructure test the study guide only helped to an extent and the rest I had to go by my training over the past 14 months previous. If you don't have the training then you're MCSE stalls out at about the Network infrastructure because it has such a huge pool of questions. |
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6/4/03:
Rob
from Bury, UK
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How do you judge 500 applicants to see who to interview? Easy...drop the CVs of all 450 non-certified people in the bin. Not fair? Maybe, but if you have the experience, you should be able to pass the exams. If you pass the exam, and have no experience, the interview will sort you out. I'd like to see the Microsoft transcript show how many attempts at each exam, that would stop people just taking them until they get lucky!
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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I really know my sh*t because I studied for five years of hand-ons learning and official course wear plus lots of on the job training and went in to do the Windows NT 3.51 workstation exam only to find that the exam is retired and that now I will have to do Win2000 instead. Its NOT FAIR!!! I had already planned to buy my MCP coffee mug, MCP wrist watch, MCP hat and MCP t-shirt from the Microsoft MCP online store. Now my plans are ruined. How can I now go for a job without my MCP logos, no-one will look at me. I may as well go out and work at DUNKIN DONUTS. Life is not fair at all. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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Its true that Pakistan, India, China and other asian countries will make a fortune for Microsoft and Cisco as those countries have done for cigarette companies. Those populations will propel profits enabling the companies to expand on a bed of ready made certification cash pools. If you are a stockbroker then invest now in this IT growth sector. It matters not how they test their candidates in those countries but rather how much money they can pull in because the amounts will be staggering, I'm actually very excited by that as I have been investing heavily in Microsoft and Cisco stocks knowing that you don't have to be a nostrodamus to predict the growing windfall and rise in share price. Just as the Playstation propelled Sony's profits certification has the potential to do the same in those heavily populated counties of asia. Microsoft, Cisco and CompTIA, you are on the right track. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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I have been studying for almost two years now. In school as well as running a full AD network at home. I have taken several of the microsoft certs and passed. I only need to take 3 more to earn my MCSE standing, and have not ever used a braindump or cheat. Those that do are cheating all of us out of work, respect, and credibility. It makes me sick when I hear that someone is MCSE and I ask them some of the simplest questions and they cant answer. I really hope microsoft has fixed the problem with more simulation type questions. |
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6/4/03:
Mommy they used braindumps
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People who say they have never used braindumps are nothing but liars. All those site owners are millionaires, gee how did that happen, well there are just under a million MCPs, so do the math, obviously most people bought and used braindumps. Those that say they didn't are either liars, too poor to purchase them so they used mcsebraindumps.com for free or maybe purchased them or downloaded them from sites. The rest just lied about it and now try to stand tall waving their MCSE flags at others who don't really give a toss. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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I don't think they should let school children do certs, only IT professionals with real experience. Learn to read and write at school first and leave the IT work for the grown-ups. Trying to use certs to get a job when you are fresh out of school is really trying to con an employer that you are actually worth something when you are not. Also running a "full" Win2000 network at home is a joke. Try working in a job with over 500 racked servers with routers and switches then think about how pathetic your little home network sounds to an employer. No wonder people are complaining that they can't get jobs, its because they are fooling themselves thinking that having certs is going to get it for them. Keep dreaming. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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Unless there is a practical hand-on exams for all these MS products, you definitely can't test a person if they really know the product on the job. |
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6/4/03:
Henry from USA
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i feel that employers hire poeple based on past experience and then certs if certs matter at all .. experience out weighs certs! also, thw cream rises to the top... if we all have certs then our performance is the yard stick we are measured with |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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Here's the reason why I don't think Study guides are bad for windows certs 1) It prepares you for things that will happen in real world scenarios 2) You still have to study your ass off 3) Theres no guarantee that you'll get asked the same questions as the study guide 4) The Microsoft tests are tough. It's nearly impossible to pass it the first time out and some people cassn't keep forking over $125 each time they fail one. |
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6/4/03:
The DUMPHUNTER
from AUSTRALIAN SWAMP
says: |
Crikey, I checked out Kazaar and edonkey, plenty of braindumps there for everyone to download for free, so stop fighting and arguing about it. Listen mate I'm sick of the arguing, if you don't want to use dumps then just shut-up and let the rest of us get on with it, stone the crows and feed the crocs. |
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6/4/03:
MCT support guy
from London
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To the man/woman who says that they would hate to work with me I will give you some helpful advise
Learn to read and do not make assumptions. I wrote that it was customers not colleagues!(DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?)
You assume that I work for a big firm. I don't .I run a small support business. The MCSE who screwed up keeps asking me for a job BUT he has called me in to his home three times as a favour to set up ICS. He is too lazy to write down or observe what I did.
However I also do some part time mcseteaching at a training school and take out on my own private jobs pupils to give them some hands on. I think taht you have missed the point of "They" it is that customers do the most stupid things and a paper MCSE will not have a clue what to do. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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Interesting above post. MCSE or no MCSE, it sounds like the guy would have problems in any IT field. You will always find people who struggle in the workplace but they have other qualities that make them valuable and its up to the employer to find their niche. That goes for anyone including IT graduates from college. Qualifications do not make you an effective worker or someone who is able to retain the knowledge they might have aquired, everyone is different. |
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6/4/03:
howcares
from madrid - spain
says: |
For all my MCSE NT4 / 2000 (2 years experience) I used a home lab experience and study books. Also i used selftest software and transcender... but for my last exam
the 70-216, also called the beast, which i failed 1 time 6 months ago, i passed it the 23-5-2003 by using books, which studied each twice, technet and certkiller v11 dump because i really needed to pass this motherf**ker for getting a great job.
Who cares if u use a dump or not... it is your responsibility, just like: can i set up RRAS , yes, disable tcpip ports, filters, DNS, RIP, OSPF ?? etc
easy; most important is that u practice on several server´s with the software
installed because if u at work do not know how to install RRAS, fool!!, it is installed by default, but u have to configure it by yourself,... !!!
did u folks get the point??
hasta pronto |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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To the above post, well said, you can obviously do the job well, so their was no problem with using a dump as PART of your study. |
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6/4/03:
Anonymous
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A couple of observations from my own experiences. (1) Some employers do use certs to sort out the candidates. They figure if all you got is experience then you don't have the confidence to demonstrate that you really know your stuff. (2) Only stupid employers hire people based upon certs. Someone said the right thing when they said a "paper" MCSE could be found out during the interview. That's very true and I have personally seen it. (3) Having a test lab or small network at home is a good thing. I know of very few employers that have actual test labs for their staff to learn new things. Staging a new install isn't the same as poking around and trying different stuff. Staging is the task of getting stuff ready to go out the door and "go live" whereas poking around in the software is an educational experience. (4) The value of certs is relative to the employer and your own ego. If the employer thinks it's important then you better work on it. If you think certs are important to prove something to yourself, then work on them. Most of us don't give a @@@@ what certs you have and don't care for folks that brag about what they've got. (5) Recerting on a subject is a good idea but poorly implemented. Heck, CCIEs only have to pass a long test to recert but they only have to survive the hands-on lab once. The medical profession has it easier. Once a doctor has his license, most of them only need a certain amount of "classroom time" every year to maintain it. Doctors only lose their license if the licensing board receives a complaint that's bad enough to warrant pulling the license, otherwise most doctors can practice until they die so long as they spend some time in class every year. By the way, insect exterminators where I live have similar rules to doctors - just spend 5 days in a lecture seminar at a resort every year and pay your license fee and you can kill legally bugs. There really isn't much of a difference between IT certs, doctor certs and bug killer certs. How's that for perspective?? |
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6/4/03:
slimboyfat
from UK
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It's so nice to see that this discussion has managed to drift sooooo far off track - it's almost like some of the peer support lists I susbscribe to (except you learn something useful there sometimes...) ;-)
Stickiing with the thread though....... I got my Win2K MCSA yesterday - through a combination of Real World experience (using Beta 3 onwards of Win 2K), reading the MS Press and Sybex books, some brain dumps to get an idea of the sort of questions I would get asked (I never saw any of the questions in the real exams (more's the pity heheheh!), and a lot of reading around it all and playing around with the software.
As far as I can see they are all valid ways to pass - when used in combination it makes for a worthwhile qualification, coz it shows you UNDERSTAND.
I passed my first two in Oct 2001 (Server and Pro) - then I took 12 months out to study more and really get my head 'round AD (no test lab at that point) - once I felt more confident I did some more "official" study, as opposed to playing and then started going for it again.... it's the way to do it in the long run.... just my £0.02 |
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6/4/03:
Rick
from Louisville
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What is the stink over "paper" whatevers? I agree with shaun and Anonymous that everyone should stop whining. We only use what skills are necessary for the job anyway. It's not like everyday is a frigging exam. Retest any MCSE a year after his exams and I'm sure you'd see a difference in his scores. All this "paper" buzzword crap is what I think really devalues the cert. Bitter MCSEs (skilled or unskilled) whining because they can't find a decent job in this crap economy we have right now. How's this? If you hired a man to build you a house because he had a piece of paper that said he could and you discovered he didn't know how, you'd fire him, right? (or maybe you'd be stupid enough to let him continue to build your house). Perhaps, then you'd find someone who knew how to do the job correctly. Unskilled workers in any field don't last long (or maybe they do) unless they learn on the job and get the experience or are told the answers in order to understand the right way from the wrong way. Either way, stop whining about what everyone else is doing and I'll stop whining about everyone else whining about what everyone else is doing. |
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6/4/03:
Dom
from New Jersey
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Folks!
Employers are being blinded, wanting certs..so each individual has too do what is neccessry to give to employer what he wants.
I've worked in the industry for 12 years and only recently (being out of work) I have noticed NO CERTS NO JOB, I never took exams before cus I relied on my solid knowledge to get me through.
Concentrate on yourselves and stop whinnig about what others are doing...
LET?S FACE IT...(even though we won't admit it) WE ALL,.....I REPEAT ALL USE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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6/5/03:
kelly
from Dallas, Texas
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All of those people who complain about the paper MCSE's with no experience, you have the same opportunity to take the tests using "study guides" AND experience which makes you that much more valuable. I am taking 70-290 & 70-291 (2003 Betas) and forget braindumps, Microsoft Press hasn't even come out with the Resource Kit or their recommended study aids yet!!! |
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6/8/03: Anonymous says: |
OK... blah blah blah... stop
crying.. if all you people are so
experienced then it should not be an issue passing the certs...
I'm a MCP
and worked hard for it.. I used the practice exams to help me
get ready..
it's BS... so what... again if you are so
experienced then you should be
able to show that you are to the employer.. also
remember b4 you were so
experienced you too didn't know sh*t!! it takes time to
get the experience
and if know one hires you then how do you get it?
Whiners!!!
From someone who doesn't give a F**k! |
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